Saturday, March 15, 2014

GOSPEL

Number of times I have been told that a  rapist or killer does not get heaver when they die.  I got into a chat last might with a friend and this topic came up.  A rapist she said has a special place in hell.  I agree and I began to go with it.   I said the hell they get is horrid and the lake of fire is hot and it burns hot.  I said the rapist wou;d have tons of demons to do to him what he did.  THEN I said something that I am not sure I got myself.  If one gets it to heaven JESUS must pay his sin debt.  So I got a fresh look at the Gospel and the messy thing it really is.  Jesus had to pay on the cross and pay the rape sin.  Jesus some how on the cross paid or went to eternal Hell.  He went to the place of hell and spent all time in hell some how on the cross.  If you were a cross you are wearing a sign of so much.  Jesus paid for every repented sinner.  This means that if Hittler would of repent Jesus would of paid his eternal hell.  Is this not the truth we got to share?  Not Jesus died but he paid for sins and the sins he paid were nasty and yucky and in some cases very messy things.  Jesus paid for all the sins price so one could go free.

16Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation;(how can you be a new thing) old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.(BECAUSE) 21For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Monday, March 3, 2014

jesus is going to be born1

Well lets take a look at more of the life of Jesus. We look tonight at the annocement of the birth

12. Gabriel Announces the Coming of Jesus Christ  
Luke 1:26–38

LK Now [1]in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to [2]a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, [3]highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

Sent from God. So Mary the mom of Jesus is not sure where but a Angel comes and tells her that she is with Child and he is the Lord of all creation. Was Mary a sinner? I think so because it does not say that she is not.

But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “[4]Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called [5]the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of [6]His father David. And He will reign [7]over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

II think I would be quite fearful. Any being from God is to be fears and this gives me a hint she was not perfect because her sin made her afraid of God. She has found favor? She has found this out of the grace of God not because she is sinnless. No one the bible said is sinless but Jesus. At his birth Jesus is declared to be king. Jesus is going to take the Throne of David who was the second of the last King of Israel so he is a king of the Nation of Israel (and will be in the end) Jesus is going to rule forever and ever in heaven. Are you going to be there?

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since [8]I do not know a man?” And the angel answered and said to her, “The [9]Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Now indeed, [10]Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.” Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! [11]Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

 Holy Spirit is going to do this. This is a operation of Holy Spirit and that is to give Mary Jesus.And he gives another sign and that is John the B to show her birth is real.
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[1] in the sixth month. I.e., Elizabeth’s sixth month of pregnancy.

[2] a virgin. The importance of the virgin birth cannot be overstated. A right view of the incarnation hinges on the truth that Jesus was virgin-born. Both Luke and Matthew expressly state that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived (cf. Matt. 1:23). The Holy Spirit wrought the conception through supernatural means (cf. Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35). The nature of Christ’s conception testifies of both His deity and His sinlessness.

[3] highly favored. Lit. “full of grace”—a term used of all believers in Eph. 1:6, where it is translated “accepted.” This portrays Mary as a recipient, not a dispenser, of divine grace.

[4] Do not be afraid. The same thing Gabriel had said to Zacharias (Luke 1:13).

[5] the Son of the Highest. Cf. Luke 1:76, where John the Baptist is called “the prophet of the Highest.” The Greek term Luke uses for “Highest” is the one employed in the LXX to translate the Hebrew, “The Most High God.” Since a son bears his father’s qualities, calling a person someone else’s “son” was a way of signifying equality. Here the angel was telling Mary that her Son would be equal to the Most High God.

[6] His father David. Cf. Matt. 9:27. Jesus was David’s physical descendant through Mary’s line. David’s “throne” was emblematic of the messianic kingdom (cf. 2 Sam. 7:13–16; Ps. 89:26–29).

[7] over the house of Jacob forever. This emphasizes both the Jewish character of the millennial kingdom and the eternal permanence of Christ’s rule over all. Cf. Is. 9:7; Dan. 2:44.

[8] I do not know a man. I.e., conjugally. Mary understood that the angel was speaking of an immediate conception, and she and Joseph were still in the midst of the long betrothal, or engagement period (cf. Matt. 1:18), before the actual marriage and consummation. Her question was borne out of wonder, not doubt, nor disbelief, so the angel did not rebuke her as he had Zacharias (v. 20).

[9] Holy Spirit will come upon you. This was a creative act of the Holy Spirit, not the sort of divine-human cohabitation sometimes seen in ancient Near Eastern, Greek, and Roman mythology.

[10] Elizabeth your relative. It seems most reasonable to regard the genealogy of Luke 3:23–28 as Mary’s. This would make her a direct descendant of David. Yet, Elizabeth was a descendant of Aaron. Therefore, Mary must have been related to Elizabeth through her mother, who would have been of Aaronic descent. Thus, Mary was a descendant of David through her father.

[11] Let it be to me according to your word. Mary was in an extremely embarrassing and difficult position. Betrothed to Joseph, she faced the stigma of unwed motherhood. Joseph would obviously have known that the child was not his. She knew she would be accused of adultery—an offense punishable by stoning (Deut. 22:13–21; cf. John 8:3–5). Yet she willingly and graciously submitted to the will of God.


Sunday, March 2, 2014

how to read the word thing

I remember going to the dentist as a kid. After all of the picking and cleaning I was given fluoride. I picked the flavor, marinated in that gushy material, and then spit it out. The hygienist would then treat me like a prize-fighter and give me a tube for water. I compliantly, swished and spit. Then I was done, out of the chair and on my way out the door.
I am afraid that too many of us practice dental chair devotions. We grab our Bibles, spend some time in it and then we are done. We promptly put down our Bibles and walk out the door or on to our daily tasks. Five to eight hours later someone could ask you, “What did you read in the Word today?” The answer, too often, is, “I can’t remember.”
What happened? We grab a little Bible reading, swish it around in the morning, then spit it out on the way out the door. The treasures from the Word don’t get swallowed and digested but rather spit out quickly. This is because we often practice a “swish and spit” devotional time. We don’t really engage the mind and heart with the Word.
How do we resist this “swish and spit” mentality?

  1. Pray before you read. I like what John Piper wrote in his book When I don’t Desire God. He advises Christians to pray specifically before they come to the Bible. He developed a helpful acronym to remember it, IOUS:  Incline my heart to you, not to prideful gain or any false motive. (Psalm 119:36), Open my eyes to behold wonderful things in your Word. (Psalm 119:18), Unite my heart to fear your name. (Psalm 86:11), Satisfy me with you steadfast love. (Psalm 90:14). This is a cry for dependence while making your requests known to God.
  2. Pray while you read. In Don Whitney’s book Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life he advocates prayer while reading the Word. As Whitney shows, this is not a new practice but it is a regrettably neglected practice. The discipline of thoughtful, prayerful Bible reading engages the heart along with the mind. It produces meditation as we are chewing on the Scripture.
  3. Prioritize Quality of Quantity. It would be great for us to be jamming through large portions of Scripture with great impact. However, most of us cannot do that effectively and consistently. So instead, purpose to spend time with a smaller text and ensure that it is getting in you and over on you in a good way.
  4. Meditate upon the text. This is the intentional chewing, tasting, ruminating, upon God’s Word. Far from “swish and spit” meditation is “sit and steep.” We need to steep the Word in the water of our soul so that we are flavored and colored by the Bible (Ps. 119:15,16, 27, 97).
  5. Read the text aloud. I was surprised recently to read that until the 20th Century most people did not read silently. Instead they read aloud, sometimes quietly and others more loud. Perhaps you know an older person who still practices this reading style. It helps with Bible reading because it engages another one of your senses.
  6. Interrogate the passage. This just means to ask questions. Who wrote it? Why did they write it? What does this teach me about God and his character? What is the correct response to this truth about God? When you read in Mt. 5:45 about God caring for all people that oppose him, what does that teach you about God? In what ways does he do this? What attribute is on display here? Where else do I see this attribute in neon lights?
  7. Make specific application to your life. As you interrogate the text you will find that there are specific personal areas that need to be addressed. Considering again Mt. 5, what does the fact that God cares for all people even those who do not love him, what does this mean for the way you treat other people? How do you look at people who do no look and act like you? How do you feel about them? Do you have a unjustified hatred of people? Does it show? What areas do I need to repent of? What does repentance look like?
  8. Ask and answer how this makes you treasure Christ. This is so often neglected. Like Jacob with the angel, do not leave until you are blessed! Here is the blessing: how does it showcase the work of Christ? Well, if you are mistreating enemies or friends you need to remember how Jesus treated his enemies. He died for them. He loved them. He gave everything for them. By the way, I was that enemy! (Rom. 5:11) I see Jesus and all of his obedience to God’s law fleshed out in his particular perfections in my place. My life as an enemy before God and my life in not loving people who are different than me. The fact that God judges us based on Christ’s merit and obedience instead of our own is a cause for worship.
  9. Take it with you. Find a verse or verses that have a grip on your heart and write them down. In some way put them either on a sticky-note or your hand or your phone or the fridge or wherever you can put them. Our church has a number of men who work in government facilities that do not allow electronics in and out. I tell them to write it down on a yellow sticky-note. They put it in their pocket and carry it about with them all day. In between meetings, on the way to lunch or the bathroom, take it out and read it. Pray through it. Apply it. Marvel at it. Keep it with you. This is the treasuring of God’s Word in your heart.
Bible reading is far too precious and important a time to just go through the motions. You must get that word into your heart, mind and life. This takes work. So, resolve today to not practice the swish and spit, dental chair devotional life. Instead prayerfully marinate in the text, interrogate it and take it with you.

Thursday, February 27, 2014

false teachers I think are not going to go to heaven

Teachers of the bible Shadman does not trust and will not pay to see or study. I find all of them untrusting and they do not do the money thing right. They do not teach the truth of the bible in matters of salvation, assurance of salvation, Election, the church or the truth of the bible. They do not teach the bible and they teach fake things like Jesus wants you rich, you can pay Jesus and get rich and the lies of healing is a right and touges and false prayer stuff. I find this list to not be in the true faith as outlines in the bible and the reformers or the truth. I hold all of them as false teachers who are going to judged and sent into hell unless they trust the true gospel.

A.A. Allen
John Arnott
John Avanzini
Earnest Angley

Todd Bentley
John Bevere
Mike Bickle
Markus Bishop
Rienhard Bonnke
William Branham
Rodney Howard Browne
Heidi Baker.
Juanita Bynum

Paul Cain
Morris Cerullo
Paul (David) Yonggi Cho
Kenneth Copeland
Gloria Copeland
Paul Crouch
Jan Crouch
Miss Ivery Campbell
Guy Chevreau

Fennis Jennings Dake
Creflo A. Dollar
Jesse Duplantis

Denny Davis

Francis Frangipane
Jerry Falwell

W.V. Grant Jr.

John Hagee
Kenneth Hagin
Charles Hunter
Frances Hunter
Jack Hayford
Marilyn Hickey
Steve Hill
Benny Hinn
Rex Humbard

Prophet Bernard Jordon
Cindy Jacobs
T.D. Jakes
T.B. Joshua
Rick Joyner
Bob Jones
Bill Johnson

Patricia King
Essek Kenyon
John Kilpatrick
Kathryn Kulhman

Bob Larson
Roberts Liardon
Bishop Eddie Long
Larry Lea
Cash Luna

Mike Murdock
Miles Monroe
Joyce Myers
Aimee Simple McPherson
Steve Munsey

Joel Osteen.

Rod Parsley
Peter Popoff
Fredrick K.C. Price
Charles Fox Parham
Paula Price
Joseph Prince

Pat Robertson
Richard Roberts
Oral Roberts

R.W. Schambach
William Seymour
Dutch Sheets
Jerry Sevelle
Paula Sanford
Miss Maple Smith
Agnus Sanford

Casey Treat
Robert Tilton

C. Peter Wagner
Paula White
John Wimber
Smith Wigglesworth
Maria Etter-Woodworth
Andrew Wommack
Bro Steve Winter
Bill Winston

Saturday, February 8, 2014

spirt

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

In Jesus we have every possible blessing. We are seated with Jesus in heaven where he is. We are choosen to be saved, Ut was before the beginning of the world. We have all of this so what is the Spirits roll in this? He is the one who seals us as a down payment of all we have in heaven.

13In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

He id the one who gives us the hope of heaven. If you are saved and sealed you go to heaven and this is all work of the Spirit. Yes you anever can lose your salvation if your saved. It is a paid for deal and Jesus paid it and the Spirit is in you. U never lose this.

 9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power

in Jesus I got everything

Sunday, November 10, 2013

John the b


MAL Behold, I send My messenger, and he will prepare the way before Me.
JN There was a man #sent from God, whose name was #John. This man came for a #witness, to bear witness of the Light, #that all through him might believe. #He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
MK As #it is written #in the Prophets:

“Behold, I send #My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make His paths straight.’”

LK There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named #Zacharias, of #the division of Abijah. His wife was of the #daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. But they had no child, because Elizabeth was #barren, and they were both well advanced in years.
So it was, that while he was serving as priest before God in the order of his division, according to the custom of the priesthood, #his lot fell to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. And the whole multitude of the people was praying outside at the hour of incense. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and #fear fell upon him.

This is a proof of the truth that God is soverin and He alone controls all there is.  Even the superstorm in the Philippines wow 10,000 dead.  SO I want to taalk a bit on that.  Is death a bad thing?  I do not think it is for the people that know the Lord and if you do very good day.  But if you do not know Jesus you death is very hard as you do not go into heaven and go to hell.  10000 people died in a storm.  How bout you and you death.  God is going to take you one day.  Have you lied?  Have you stole anything?  Jesus said that is you hate anyone you kill?  Do you hate anyone? 

So If you did any of the thing you broke the laws of God and when you die you go to court and how is you plea?  If God is just and right and good your going to plead guilty and have to pay for your lies and hate in hell forever?  If that conserns you then maybe you need to look to Jesus who died for you and will pay your fine.



But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for #your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name #John. And you will have #joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink #neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, #even from his mother’s womb. And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. He will also go before Him #in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to #turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

Do not be afraid?  I think I would be if a angel showed up and began to chat with me.  How could you not be.  And John is going to be called one of the greatest man to live be Jesus who is God.  Wow.  He is going to prepare the way for the Lord of all to be on earth.  He is not to take strong drink.  If you want to be controlled by the Lord and not wine that is a good thing.  I do not think it is a wrong thing for a christian to drink but if you get drunk you cross the line.  Drunks are on the list that do not go to heaven andif this is a habit friend I ask you to make sure you are saved.  But for me I am not going to drink because I do not want to ever be drunk and I want my life to be done for the Lord.

And Zacharias said to the angel, “#How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is well advanced in years.” And the angel answered and said to him, “I am #Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings. But behold, you will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.”

I want to look at the forerunner of Jesus John but the book I am doing this gives a lot of stuff that I do not think I am going to hit on.  I may.  I want you to think of times you pray and the times you ask and you get a surprize and God gives you what you ask for.  In this part Johns dad asks for a kid and when the angel said that God is going to do it He is not expecting it.  Do we pray thinking the Lord is going to do as we ask.  And sometimes He gives what we thought we wanted when we really do not need it.  When the Lord gives do we thank him?  Or do we doubt.

And the people waited for Zacharias, and #marveled that he lingered so long in the temple. But when he came out, he could not speak to them; and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple, for he beckoned to them and remained speechless.
 So it was, as soon as the #days of his service were completed, that he departed to his own house. Now after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived; and she #hid herself five months, saying, “Thus the Lord has dealt with me, in the days when He looked on me, to take away my reproach among people.”





MAL Behold, I send My messenger, and he will prepare the way before Me.
JN There was a man #sent from God, whose name was #John. This man came for a #witness, to bear witness of the Light, #that all through him might believe. #He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
MK As #it is written #in the Prophets:

Tuesday, November 5, 2013

false teachers series Joyce Meyers

Here are some things on false teachers

HOW TO SPOT A WOLF
We all need discernment, biblical discernment.  The only way to have this is to read and know God’s Word.  There is no substitute.  Here are 7 tips to help you spot a wolf.
  1. They misuse the Bible.  
  2. God speaks to them frequently.
  3. They take and spend a lot of money for themselves.
  4. If you give to their ministry God will return even greater blessing to you in the future.
  5. They talk about themselves–a lot.
  6. They have no real accountability.
  7. They frequently reference the size of the crowd to validate God’s anointing on them and their ministry.

Meyers

JOYCE MEYER
When I first heard her tell her story I was deeply moved and impressed.  She is an amazing example of overcoming hurts and abuse.  She will forever have my admiration and respect in that regard.  Furthermore, she gives spectacular advice.  If my wife or if one of my daughters went to her in a moment of crisis, I believe they would return with magnificently helpful advice.  If they went to her for teaching, they would return with deadly heresy.
False Doctrine
1.  She teaches that Jesus literally stopped being the Son of God on the Cross:  http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-6-joyce-meyer.mp3
“He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin.”   Joyce Meyer
2.  She teaches that Jesus went to Hell and became the first-born again man:  http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-7-joyce-meyer.mp3
“Do you know something? The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again. Now that was real it happened when he was in hell.”
3.  She teaches that Jesus paid for our sins in Hell:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOM
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell”  Joyce Meyer (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make) 
4.  She teaches that words have power and you can release the power of Heaven through your words:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DInxKmfgts0
5.  She teaches that you need special revelation from God to understand what she teaches because it is NOT contained in the Bible: http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-2-joyce-meyer.mp3
“The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really. That’s why you’ve got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I’m telling you. I’ve got to just trust God that He’s putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine.”  Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)  
http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-4-joyce-meyer.mp3
“Now spirits don’t have bodies, so we can’t see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I’m supposed to say to you.”  Joyce Meyer (Witchcraft & Related Spirits (Part 1) – 2 A-27 Audiotape)
6.  She teaches that she is no longer a sinner:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmHJdM63hk
Unfortunately I could continue with examples of her utter misuse of scripture, false teaching and blatant heresy.  In America, Christians have an embarrassment of riches.  We can buy more books, download more podcasts and tune into more helpful teachers than anyone else on the planet.  The lies that she teaches are easily lost in the hum of all the great teachers we hear.  But this is not the case in the third world.
In many other countries their resources are far fewer.  Uneducated pastors, who are doing their very best and uninformed Christians have this garbage pumped into their countries through radio waves and TV broadcasts.   Because Joyce Meyer is endorsed here, she is trusted there.  And, she can afford to spread her message with the money she makes from American Christians who buy her books, CDs and who attend her conferences.  Her influence is severely disrupting the church in the third world.  Her teachings are the unfortunate starting point for Christians in the third world and it is birthing even greater heresies.
The devastating reality that we have to come to grips with is that when we support her here, we support the churches she is undoing there.
Financial Concerns
There is nothing wrong with being wealthy.  I love it when Christians are rich.  That should mean more money to fund the mission.  But there is a line to how much money we as leaders should spend on ourselves.  I don’t know where the line is, but it is somewhere before the ministry purchasing million dollar homes for us and our kids.  That line is somewhere before purchasing us a $10 million private jet.  The line is somewhere before the ministry spending $261, 498 for 68 pieces of furniture.  That equates to $3,845.56 per item.  That line is somewhere before spending so egregiously that the U.S. Senate investigates us.  Joyce Meyer lands on the other side of that line.
The following link includes audio from Joyce Meyer.  Around 5:30 she is asked if people will get more money back to them if they give financially to her ministry:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWQsoA7D24
Not only does she teach giving as a way to leverage more money from God, she is reckless with desperate people.  She is not at all concerned if people give to her instead of paying bills.  This is intolerable!
Questionable Example and Lack of Accountability
I challenge you to watch a typical message by Joyce Meyer.  Here are a few of things you will notice:
  • She pauses about every 5 minutes for applause.  And if people don’t applaud she is likely to say something like, “I’m preaching better than you’re acting.”
  • She talks about herself constantly.  She is the main character in every story she tells.  Even when she talks about herself in a self-deprecating way, some how it comes across in a way that causes people to admire her more.
  • God talks to her and reveals new information to her…a lot!
Her ministry lacks real accountability.  Her family and her close friends are the governing board.  This is an organization that receives almost $100 million dollars annually, and with no substantive accountability.
Conclusion for Joyce Meyer
What I wrote and linked in the first section should have been enough to completely remove her from our sphere of trust.  Her doctrine is horrific.  Her hermeneutics are horrible.  She is a woman who seems to have an unrestrained love for money and applause.  Her finances are questionable at best.  Her example is questionable at best.  Her impact on desperate people here, as well as churches and pastors around the globe is wildly destructive.
I lament with you a sense of loss if she was a teacher you trusted.  I lament that someone who is so wrong has so much influence with so many.  I do not regret, however, pointing to her as a false teacher and as one who should be rejected.

What does Joyce Meyer teach?

For the most part Joyce Meyer preaches a positive, biblical message that is of great value to many people.  We applaud her desire to be biblical, to point women to godly submission and humility, to trusting God, being loving, to have value based in what Christ has done for us, etc.  These are all good.  However, there are some very significant errors that need to be addressed.  Some of them are so bad that she is outside of biblical orthodoxy and must be considered a false teacher.  Let's take a look at what Joyce Meyer has said.
Following is a list of quotes from Joyce Meyer, along with responses.
  1. Jesus stopped being the Son of God:  "He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin."(http://storage.carm.org/joycemeyer/joyce-meyer-Jesus-became-sin-stopped-being-son-of-God.mp3)
    1. Response:  This is heresy.  Jesus did not ever stop becoming the son of God.  Essentially what she is saying is that Jesus stopped being divine, the eternal son, second person of the Trinity. This is an attack on the very nature of Christ and it is a dangerous false teaching.  Joyce Meyer needs to repent and retract this statement.  There is no place in Scripture that says Jesus stopped being the son of God.  She's adding to the word of God and placing in the hearts and minds of listeners false doctrine.
  2. Jesus was born again:  "The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again," (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neKsa_74w7k&feature=related)
    1. Response:  This is just plain wrong.  Being born again means to be saved from the wrath of God for a person's sins (Eph. 2:1-3), to have a new birth (John 3:3), and to be regenerated (2 Cor. 5:17).  Mrs. Meyer is simply wrong biblically.  Why does she teach this?  It can only be because she has bought into many of the errors of the Positive Confession movement where it is sometimes said that Jesus lost his divine nature, went to hell, finished the atonement in hell, and was born again!  This is a serious error since it implies that Jesus needed to be changed...
  3. Jesus paid for our sins in hell:  "He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. He was in the grave three days. During that time he entered hell, where you and I deserve to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.” (The most important decision you'll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 35)
    1. Response:  This is blatantly wrong.  Jesus did not pay the price of our redemption in hell.  He paid the price on the cross.  It was finished on the cross when he said, "It is finished" (John 19:30).  Also, consider the following verses:
    2. Col. 1:20, "and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven."
    3. Col. 2:14, "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."
    4. 1 Pet. 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
  4. Jesus went to hell in our place and was tormented:  "Jesus paid on the cross and went to hell in my place. Then as God had promised, on the third day Jesus rose from the dead. The scene in the spirit realm went something like this: God rose up from his throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless son of God, 'let him go.' Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. On earth his grave where they had buried him was filled with light as the power of God filled his body. He was resurrected from the dead -- the first born again man." (The most important decision you'll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 36)
    1. Response:  Where does she get this completely fictitious dialogue between God and the demon powers?  It is made up, not founded in scripture, and mistakenly assumes that Jesus went to hell, the place of torment and suffering after he died on the cross.  The Bible does not teach any such thing.  However, it does say that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth (Eph. 4:9).  This can mean that Jesus was physically buried, or that Jesus went to Hades to inform those who had already died about who he was and what he did on the cross, or it can be referring to his incarnation as is contrasted with his ascending into heaven (Eph. 4:10).  But there is simply no reason to believe that Jesus suffered in hell and finished the atonement there.  See response to Quote 1.
  5. If you don't believe Jesus went to hell, you cannot be saved:   "His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserve to go… There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth." (The most important decision you'll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 37)
    1. Response:  This is an amazingly bad statement on her part.  She is saying that you cannot be saved from your sins unless you believe that Jesus went to the hell where we deserve to go.  This is a modification of the gospel message that saves, as is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 that states it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.  Nowhere in scripture are we told to believe that Jesus suffered for us in hell or that he went there, where we deserve to go.  This is very wrong and is heretical.
  6. We are called little gods:  "I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this..this kind of gets the point across...he said why do people have such a fit about God calling his creation, his creation, his man not his whole creation, but his man, little gods? If he's God what's he going to call them but the God kind? I mean if you as a human being have a baby you call it a human kind. If if [sic] cattle has another cattle they call it cattle kind. I mean what is God supposed to call 'em? Doesn't the Bible say we are created in his image? Now you understand I am not saying you are god with a capital G. That is not the issue here so don't go trying to stone me or yell blasphemy at me." "The Bible says right here John 10:34...'and Jesus answered is it not written in your law I say we are gods.' So men are called God's by the law..."(Joyce Meyer). (www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrP3OLCH9GI&feature=related)
    1. Response:  In this clip she goes on to quote John 10:34 where Jesus says to the Pharisees "you are gods," which is a quote from Psalm 82:6, which is an imprecatory Psalm of condemnation for the unrighteous judges.  Psalm 82:7 says, nevertheless you will die like men.  She then turned to Psalm 82 and went through it.  The video stopped so I do not know what she would have said about the next, all important verse.
  7. Joyce Meyer said she is not a sinner:  "I am not poor. I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I were and if I still was then Jesus died in vain. I'm going to tell you something folks. I didn't stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn't a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that's heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I am righteous and I can't be righteous and be a sinner at the same time." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmHJdM63hk)
    1. Response:  Mrs. Meyer needs a lesson in basic Bible.  1 John 1:8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us."  Notice that John the apostle says "we."  He is including himself with sinners.  Also, Paul said in Rom. 7:19-20,24, "For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me...24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?"  Is Joyce Meyer better in Christian character than John and Paul?  I think not.  Mrs. Meyer fails to recognize her own sinfulness, and so mistakenly denies her own sinfulness.  I can only conclude that this false teaching comes from pride because it certainly isn't biblical.
  8. The host of hell were literally on Jesus and were laughing:  "They were having the biggest party that had ever been had. They had my Jesus in the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing. And he had become sin. Don't you think that God was pacing, wanting to put a stop to what was going on? All the host of hell were upon him. Upon him. Up on him. The angels were in agony.  All the creation is groaning. All the host of hell was upon him. Up on him. They got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking. Ha ha ha ha. You trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he'd save you and get you off that cross. He didn't, ha ha ha." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOM)
    1. Response:  Where did she get this - in the sacred Book of Joycemeyeronomy?  It is certainly not in the Bible, and yet she has no problem teaching it as an authoritative truth.  Does she not know that the Bible says not to exceed what is written (1 Cor. 4:6)?  Yet, she has done exactly this.  She is in grave error and has violated God's word that says that Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) and finished the atonement on the cross (John 19:30) - not in hell at the hands of demons!  There is no way demons were literally standing 'on' Jesus.  Meyer is in gross error!
  9. Joyce Meyer gets revelation knowledge:  “The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really that is why you have got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I am telling you. I have got to just trust God that he is putting it into your spirit like he put it into mine.” (http://storage.carm.org/joycemeyer/joyce-meyer-revelation-knowledge.mp3)
    1. Response:  Revelation knowledge?  Is she on par with the apostles who received revelation knowledge from God himself?  Or how about the Old Testament prophets?  Does she, like them, also receive revelation knowledge from God?  If so, how would we know if it were true or not? The answer is simple:  we test what she says against Scripture, and it is obvious that she is getting a lot of things from somewhere else that contradict the word of God.